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November 2014

These interpretations are amazing! Would you be willing to do a Sylph of Hope? Also, would Broomkind be a suitable weapon for that class?

Thank you kindly for your statement!  It’s always lovely to hear from followers, and it is, of course, without a doubt, a pleasure to answer your questions!  So without further ado, we shall commence with that.
Oh, and happy Thanksgiving, everyone.


Powers: CA

As I mentioned before, the Sylph and the Maid are the passive-active pair for the Creation class. While they were once both believed to be entirely female-exclusive, Hussie just about nullified that idea given his verdict on a female Prince’s potential existence. The Sylph would create their Aspect for others, using it to help them, like Aranea Serket, the Sylph of Light, bringing back Terezi’s eyesight (although technically, it didn’t really help her, but it’s not like she really knew that). In any case, the Sylph potentially has the ability to heal using their Aspect, or outright heal their Aspect. The Sylph of Space, Kanaya Maryam, tried to use the Matriorb to heal Space of her race’s absence.
A Sylph of Hope, therefore, would have the ability to create Hope for others. This means a varying degree of things because Hope is a very, VERY powerful Aspect. Hope is an Aspect that has been mentioned multiple times to be a force of unparalleled power and strength, and Hope players have been shown to have quite the destructive power at their side (e.g., Eridan, the Prince of Hope, destroying the Matriorb, Jake, the Page of Hope not only making ‘Mind Dirk’ real enough to threaten Aranea’s life, but also surrounding himself in a blinding halo of pure Hope energy). A Sylph of Hope would be capable of a lot of destruction, despite their being a member of the Creation class, because nothing is more dangerous than Hope, even in the literal sense of the word. We have had so much time to ponder of revolution, recently, given events, and I know now that Hope is a very dangerous thing for a single person to have, let alone a groups of hundreds or thousands. If there is Hope in a group that what they work for will mean something in due time, and they will only work harder because they know that what they are doing will amount to something. So it’s a powerful tool, and to create Hope in others means that the Sylph can make people believe in very powerful and very important things. The Sylph could make allies believe in themselves or in their abilities. On the flip side, the Sylph could make their enemies believe that they are going to lose or that they will miss. If they think that, why would they want to stick around, am I right?
Hope, in its less literal sense, could literally just be pure energy, like the “white science,” that Eridan uses with his wand, or the halo that Jake was surrounded with when Aranea allowed him to reach his full potential. A Sylph could create that energy for others, meaning that they could potentially surround their allies in a protective halo of Hope energy, or supply their allies with energy when they are dead tired or hurt during a battle.
Speaking of injuries, the Sylph’s potential role as a healing class is quite the interesting one. As far as healing Hope is concerned, it means that if Hope lacking, or is outright gone, the Sylph of Hope would be able to create it, and heal both the session and Hope itself by replenishing its supply. They would have to be careful about where they have their teammates and allies place their beliefs, though, because if something happens to go wrong with the object of their faith, then something could end up very wrong. The more interesting of the two healing abilities, though, is the Sylph’s speculated ability to heal others using Hope. Where this could mean healing using the energy that is at their disposal, I like to think that the Sylph of Hope would be able to use their belief to heal people. That’s right: this Sylph, provided they’re well-versed with their abilities and whatever they place their faith in, they can simply pray the injury away. How this looks to others may be something as simple as a short prayer and touching the wound and having it disappear, or more along the lines of glowing miraculous Hope energy emanating from the person and healing the wound, I don’t know. I just know that Hope is a much more flexible Aspect to work with as far as healing because it works as long as the Sylph believes they can do it, and that the object of their faith can help them, be that object themselves or some sort of deity.
So in conclusion, the Sylph of Hope, armed with the proper Hope, is very, very terrifying to be facing off against.


Weapons: TC

Well, I’ve been waiting for a while to do a Hope player, so I thank you for this.  Hope weapons have a very obvious pattern to them, as all of their weapons are some form of a gun.  Eridan and Cronus Ampora, who are the Prince and Bard of Hope, both used Ahab’s Crosshairs, which is a “legendary” harpoon gun.  Jake, the Page of Hope, wields his dual pistols.  However, the only Sylph whose strife specibus has been revealed is Kanaya, and her weapon transforms from something rather unassuming (her lipstick) into something quite intimidating (that bloody chainsaw).  Also, it has been speculated that Aranea uses the Fluorite Octet as her weapon of choice, which also fit the transformation pattern, transforming from something unassuming (dice) into something that would strike fear into the hearts of her foes (a guillotine, a sword, or a large number of other things).  As such, Broomkind is still fair game, but in order to fit the pattern, it would have to be able to transform into a gun of some sort.  I still definitely like that original strife specibus, though, as nobody ever thinks to use it (also CA likes it because of the whole “witch but more magical” imagery that Kanaya set up for Sylphs).  In any case, here are the strife specibi that your Broomkind strife specibus may be able to transform into.

  • Automatickind: WHERE IS THE GUN CONTROL???
  • Flamethrowerkind: Fire indeed hot.
  • Laserkind: IMMA FIRIN MAH LASER!  BWAAAAAH!
  • Launcherkind: A potato gun?  I see why you preferred the broom.
  • Pistolkind: DON’T MOVE OR I’LL SHOOT YOU WITH MY INVISIBLE GUN!
  • Riflekind: Bang bang, badow badow badow, bang bang.
  • Shotgunkind: Aaah, you got me.



Land and Quest: TC and CA

Hope lands. Well, this should be a bit of an adventure, given how we, ONCE AGAIN, only have information from one land. Eridan Ampora, the Prince of Hope, and his land, The Land of Wrath and Angels. Where Jake English was the Page of Hope, his session was a Void session, thereby making his land inherently different from that of a normal session. Once again we recommend this word list to aid you in the creation of your land, in both its quest and its aesthetic.
Eridan’s land is fairly easy to dissect. Angels is more than obviously the Aspect word because Wrath is more of a Rage word anyway. Where we don’t know which is the quest and which is the aesthetic, I would hazard a guess that Wrath is the quest word, and that Angels is the aesthetic word, given how the angels were apparently fairly peaceful before Eridan started shooting them, meaning that Eridan’s planet wasn’t inherently wrathful, so that’s not the aesthetic. As a side note, this might mean that Eridan knew a lot more about his planet than he was letting on, and that he knew that Wrath might have been necessary for him to finish his quest.
For a Sylph of Hope’s quest, though, I would not recommend shooting a bunch of angels with a broom gun, or shooting anything really. See, the Sylph’s quest is to learn to create Hope and faith, rather than destroy it (even if Eridan was technically only destroying a sort of symbol of faith in the angels), so I would recommend a quest that takes an inherently different route. To learn to create Hope, I would recommend a land that has a deity of some sort that they worship and a fair amount of problems. This deity can be a god, a goddess, some sort of animal- hell, it could even be the Sylph themselves (provided these consorts seem unable to recognize them) or maybe their denizen. The Sylph’s job is to provide some sort of faith back into them, I suppose. If you read my Bard of Mind post, you’ll recall something like that in their quest, too. Their job was to make their consorts understand that some sort of disaster was going to have them accept the Bard as some sort of prophet or fortuneteller. The Sylph’s job would be, in a way, similar, but rather than have the object of their faith be the Sylph, they would renew faith in whatever that deity of their consorts is. They would have to, one at a time, solve this group of consorts’ problems and then blame their deity for the solution. They would slowly renew the consorts’ faith in their god, and also solve a lot of problems in their world as well. Faith is a powerful motivator. Eventually, given enough support courtesy of their deity, the consorts would try to make things better themselves.

Nov 27, 2014 11 notes
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Yo! So, I thought I should ask about my title (the one from WAY back when). How would a maid of breath work? And would her land ,land of pillows and bees (bees being her quest word), actually work? Cuz when we originally worked on it, I wasn't too sure how everything worked. :)

For those of you who are unaware, this is a friend of TC and I (CA). She figured out her god tier by using thepageofhopes’ title quiz (a link for which I am providing here for those of you who may be curious) and then decided to write a little story detailing a session between her, myself, our friend the Knight of Doom, and another friend of ours, the Prince of Hope (who decided to be a Prince of Time in that case). She asked me to write this disclaimer on this post: She had no idea what she was doing.


Powers: CA

As I’m sure you remember from our earlier posts regarding Sylphs and Maids, the Maid and the Sylph are the active-passive pair for the Creation class, both hypothesized to be exclusively for female players, but Hussie had thrown most gender limitations out the window when he said female Princes were possible. When Maids create, their creations are for themselves, like with Aradia creating Time for herself as the Maid of Time when she slowed down Bec Noir to a stop when he attacked Derse and was going to kill her. While that luckily also created Time for her allies, her first instinct was self-defense, a reasonable response to a psychopathic, winged dog flying at you, sword and teeth bared.
In any case, Breath is the Aspect of freedom and wind. As such, the Maid of Breath could create for themselves freedom and wind. As far as creating freedom for themselves, I don’t doubt that the Maid would be capable of teleportation, or, at the very least flying. Creating freedom for themselves means that they would be able to move around as much as they would need to to not get caught by something, whatever, this “something,” may be. Gravity, an enemy, a trap, a person, whatever. If they want to leave, and they can’t, their powers would easily manifest themselves in allowing them to become free once more. Whether this means that the Maid can turn into wind, or just outright poof into and out of situations at will, I imagine depends on the skill of the Maid in question, and how well they can use their abilities. As for creating wind, this is the fun bit. It essentially makes the Maid of Breath an airbender, more so than even the Knight of Breath. After all, the Knight has to use Breath as a weapon, but the Maid can do what they well like with it. The Maid would be able to create things as soft as breeze to catch something falling, or as strong as a hurricane to blow enemies or flames away. For instance, if Bec Noir were flying at a Maid of Breath, they would create a gust of wind or, I don’t know, a hurricane to blow Bec Noir away. They would essentially be able to do “the windy thing,” whenever they want, and they might not even need air around them to do it. They would break the basic laws of matter by creating wind. SCIENCE, BITCH.
In any case, this puts the Maid safely on the front lines, poofing to safety whenever they may need to and making a hurricane (or more accurately, a tornado, because a hurricane is wind and water, whereas a tornado is just wind) on the battlefield to get everything and anything out of their way. They might even go on to become some sort of spy. They couldn’t ever be caught, I mean, they just go ahead and poof into where they need to be to find information, and then poof away to their teammates to pass it on.
Altogether, quite the nice group of powers.


Weapons: TC

Maids.  Awesome.  Well, Maids have a tendency for close to mid range weapons, having used such things as a whip (Aradia had this specibus, but rarely used it), a giant fork, and (probably) a chainsaw.  These items, as previously mentioned, are also related to the interests of the maids who use them.  As for Breath, their weapons also tend to be mid range, like Tavros and Rufioh’s lances and John’s hammer.  As such, when these two restrictions are combined, these weapons strike me as best suited for our Maid.  Please note that while I normally wouldn’t account for the interest portion of this very much, since I personally know this particular Maid, I will make an exception.

  • Artkind: Let me paint you a picture.
  • Beautykind: No Rogues allowed.
  • Bookkind: Our good friend’s primary choice.  I’m just affirming that it fits the patterns.
  • Flagkind: Might I recommend a runner-up to Bookkind?
  • Needlekind: Well, we’re nearly at the end, here.  Hopefully, I’ve left you in stitches.
  • Penkind: I hope you were taking notes.


And now, other weapons for other Maids of Breath that may read this.  I recommend that these Maids who may or may not be reading this select a strife specibus that reflects their interests.

  • Axekind: Mustn’t.  Picture.  Lumberjack.  Maid.
  • Ballkind: For when a couple of guys who are up to no good start makin trouble in your neighborhood.
  • Boomerangkind: I had a really good joke, but then I lost it. Don’t worry, it’ll come back to me.
  • Brasskind: Well, your parents probably aren’t home…
  • Cardkind: Read ‘em and weep.
  • Dartkind: All balloons must cower in fear.
  • Entertainmentkind: With every job that must be done…
  • Fankind: On a serious note, this should’ve been an obvious weapon, no?
  • Forkkind: Must, by definition, have four prongs.  Otherwise, it’d be ‘three’kkind or something like that.
  • Gamekind: …there is an element of fun.
  • Gravekind: Who wants a corpse party?
  • Hammerkind: Whosoever holds this hammer, if they be worthy, shall possess the power of… John Egbert.
  • Pankind: They’re quite handy, or so I’ve been told.
  • Paperkind: Surprisingly effective against rocks.
  • Percussionkind: The least appreciated section of any music group.  Take out your frustrations on the imps!
  • Propkind: Oh, sure, it’s just a “fake gun”.  What damage could it do, right?
  • Pubkind: You drink til you vomit, and punch like a comet.  Good for you, mate.
  • Puppetkind: There are no strings on me.
  • Sciencekind: Physics.  Physics, physics, physics… I hope you’re getting all this down.
  • Scissorkind: Much less effective against rocks.
  • Soundkind: Make sure you plug it in first.
  • Spatulakind: Apparently Spongebob’s a Maid of Breath?
  • Spoonkind: Is it too big?  How does one define when one’s spoon is too big, exactly?
  • Sportskind: Hit a home run, or something.  I’m not a sports person, ok?  DON’T JUDGE ME!!!
  • Toolkind: Look at this tool.
  • Toykind: NOT THE FURBY!
  • Wandkind: It’s levi-OH-sa.
  • Woodwindkind: Go Hieronymus Bosch on those imps.
  • Yoyokind: Not yo momma’s yoyo.



Land and Quest: TC and CA

The Land of Pillows and Bees. For those of you who are reading this with no prior knowledge of trollinthehumanfandom’s land, it’s filled with giant bees and talking flowers. Fairly pretty. Not entirely unlike one of Lewis Carroll’s better drug trips. I can’t quite recall, however, where the “Pillows,” part came into play, and to be honest, I think that’s a shared problem between the two of us.
The quest of this land is to defend its consorts from giant bees, hence the “Bees,” part, leaving “Pillows,” to be the Aspect word. I assume it’s also the aesthetic word, given how the planet is unlikely to be covered in the same thing which the Maid is supposed to be killing. Not long ago, I made a post concerning the word “Pillows,” as an Aspect word for a Breath player, and my thoughts on it are just repeated at this point: “Heart lands tend to reflect their players: soft, inviting, and, on average, not very intimidating (be this in looks or sounds). Pillows follow this trend, being soft and inviting, but we can see what you were looking to do with the idea. So a word or object that retains the Breath identity and is pillow-like. This could be Clouds, Fog, Mist, Cumulus, Heap, Stratocumulus, Mammatocumulus, etc. There are a lot of clouds that look like pillows and might be able to suit your purpose.”
As for your quest, though, I find that it will suit your purpose very well. You want to learn to control and create your own freedom? Well, imagine the bees as fairly organized (despite being, you know, insects), and they’re fairly well surrounding the planet. You can’t go too far from a certain area without risk of being attacked (for that matter, neither can your consorts). You kill them one at a time, or take them on all at once, it doesn’t matter, as long as you can actually manage it. If you do it, you can control where you go, and you can learn to create your own freedom, simultaneously creating the freedom of others.

Nov 27, 2014 7 notes
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Hello! Could you tell me about the powers of a Knight of Heart, and possibly weapons and land/quest for them? Sorry for bothering, thanks!

It’s not a bother at all.


Powers: CA and TC

The Knight and the Page are the active-passive pair for the Exploit class. Where the Page allows others to use their Aspect as a weapon, the Knight does it themselves. Similarly, where the Page requires other people to reach their full potential, the Knight relies solely on themselves, for better or for worse. Where this can lead to some (fairly prolonged) soul-searching on the part of the Knight, it generally also means that the Knight, when the Page finally reaches their potential, has already reached their potential and has since become a lot more used to their abilities and knows how to use them very well at that point. Comparisons aside, Knights are very powerful classes for weaponizing their Aspects. Karkat was able to use Blood (unity) and was able to pull his team together to pull off the perfect combo at the perfect time to kill the Black King: a monstrous amalgamation (the phrase I was thinking of was something like ‘incestuous slurry,’ but I know that’s not right) of all of their lusii.
I know I’ve probably done this point to death with other Knight posts, but for those of you who don’t know, Knights have the tendency to embody the Aspect that their session lacks. In this case, the Knight’s presence in the session has a direct impact on the other members of the session. There would be a lack of emotion in this session and perhaps a lack of self. This might mean that the Knight is in a session full of Dirks (i.e., “stone cold motherfuckers,”), or a lack of any real differentiation between the people in the session as far as personality. The entire session might even be comprised of twins or triplets, to further accentuate the lack of self, given a presumed lack of physical difference given the similar genetic material.
So a Knight of Heart would be able to exploit their Aspect as a weapon. This could mean a couple of things, the first that’s coming to mind being emotions being a weapon. You know how Moriarty from the Sherlock Holmes movies with Robert Downey Jr. said something along the lines of, “My task for you was to manipulate Holmes’ feelings for you, not succumb to them.” Well, replace “manipulate,” with “exploit,” and you’ve basically got the gist of it. The Knight of Heart would have some basic intuitive understanding of their Aspect, and might have something akin to an empathetic ability (being able to feel what others can feel) in order to know exactly what emotion to exploit in their target. They would know just what to say or do to make someone do exactly what they want by exploiting that which they already feel and allowing it to either grow or shrink on its own. They could make people fall in love with them if that spark is already present, or they could make another person hate them, if they believe it would serve their purpose, but all it takes is the spark to be present. They could make themselves angry or sad or happy, they could make themselves feel anything if the spark is already there. The spark they need has to be there, because they themselves cannot Create their Aspect, as only Sylphs and Maids are capable of doing that. Knights and Pages can only Exploit that which is already there.
Similarly, the Knight should be able to weaponize the soul.  They would utilize their own soul as a weapon to protect themselves and smite their foes.  Like a soul shield,  a shield made out of their own soul to protect their comrades.  Sounds melodramatic enough to be the sort of gimmick a Knight of Heart would keep stashed inside their bag of tricks.  Of course, that would almost definitely be dependent upon what type of person this Knight in question truly is.  If they are a caring person, the soul shield would not be a far fetched possibility.  However, if the Knight is a more barbaric, brutish type, then perhaps their soul would not take the shape of a shield, but rather a weapon, stronger than any other, in order to crush their foes like insects beneath the might of the Knight’s onslaughts. If the Knight prefers to distance themselves from conflict or emotion, this might mean that their “soul weapon,” would take the form of a long-range weapon like a bow and arrow. Or the soul weapon might actually take the form of a weapon fitting their strife specibus, who knows?
Another possibility for weaponizing Heart is the Knight making an army out of the different pieces of them. Heart players are semi-well known for having some “splintering,” issues (Dirk being the most infamous of all- his Dream self was awake every time he was!), and what this means for the Knight is that they could potentially make an army out of every facet of themselves. There might be a “happy,” Knight, there might be an “angry,” Knight, there might be a “sad,” Knight, and so on and so forth. Like that Legend of Zelda game where Link was split up into four versions of himself, green, blue, red, and violet. If the Knight could control them, they’d have the equivalent of an army at their side (really I think that this is why Knights should never be allowed to team up in SBURB- they’d be too powerful, which is why, normally, there’s only one Knight per session, the game knows and compensates for it).
Knights really are warriors first and foremost. Being a Knight of Heart would just allow them to arm themselves with that which everyone has.


Weapons: TC

Weapons for both Heart players and Knights could simply be summed up in two words.  These words in question are as follows: Sharp things.  Both Knights and Heart players are generally more accustomed to wielding melee weapons, and generally bladed or sharp ones.  Dave and Dirk’s swords, Nepeta and Meulin’s claws, and Karkat’s sickles are all examples of this pattern.  As such, the following types of strife specibi would work well for a Knight of Heart.

  • Axekind: To sit in solemn silence on a dull, dark dock…
  • Bladekind: In a pestilential prison with a lifelong lock…
  • Chainsawkind: Awaiting the sensation of a short, sharp shock from a cheap and chippy chopper…
  • Clawkind: The claw decides who will stay and who shall go!
  • Knifekind: I got all my fingers, the knife goes chop, chop, chop…
  • Pizzacutterkind: Really?  You do know imps are not made of pizza, right?
  • Polearmkind: Work dat pole.
  • Razorkind: Give your foes the closest shave they will ever know.
  • Scissorkind: Suck it, paperkind!
  • Scythekind: On a big, black block. *claps*
  • Sicklekind: I HATE COMMUNISM!!!


Land and Quest: TC and CA

So far, we’ve seen the lands of two Heart players, Dirk Strider, the Prince, and Nepeta Leijon, the Rogue, but of those two, we can probably only use one as an example, as Dirk’s session is a Void session, which leads to some automatic differences between his world and the world of a Heart player in a normal session. For example, his entire world is covered in a noble gas, and is filled with dead, skeletal consorts…or maybe those are just monsters? And of course, time for our usual disclaimer-like quip: as with TC’s land, we suggest the use, once again, of this word list to aid you in the creation of your land, in both its quest and its aesthetic.
In any case, the unfortunate fact is that we are now limited to only using one land, the Land of Little Cubes and Tea. Nepeta’s land is an oddity in its nomenclature, given how it is made of an extra word. While this was presumably done only on Hussie’s part to make the abbreviation for the land LOLCAT, this is an interesting thing and I felt need to make a note of it.
In any case, Nepeta’s land is rather easy to deconstruct and decipher. The “Little Cubes,” part is likely a reference to the little cubes forming staircases and such all along the land, looking suspiciously like sugar cubes. This is likely the Aspect word. Heart lands tend to be sweet and soft, and these “Little Cubes” are most likely made of sugar. The “Tea,” part is quite obviously a reference to the teapots sitting on top of the mountains on the land. We aren’t entirely certain which is the quest and which is the aesthetic word given how little time there was spent focusing on the characters in the Land of Little Cubes and Tea, but that’s as much as we can learn from the name and brief glances we have gotten of the land.
As a side note, if none of the words in thepageofhopes’ list appeal to you or they don’t seem to fit the land you had pictured for your character (if you thought of a quest beforehand), it is possible that the Aspect word for a Heart land is meant to sort of reflect the nature of the player. Nepeta, despite having her underlying metal-as-all-hell nature, was a sweet, adorable individual, a personality that made her easy to like, and as such, her land reflected that. Dirk didn’t have an Aspect word, but his land reflected him, as it was a very interesting land with great levels of depth to it, like Dirk.
But as for the quest, well, that’s a bit of a difficult one. Knights of Heart would have a quest that would give them the tools they need to understand their abilities, and that means that they need a quest that would help them exploit feelings (as the whole ‘soul weapon’ and splintering things would only come after they actually reach god tier). Now: how would this work? What would they need to accomplish that would require the use of feelings? What would they need in order to arm themselves with feelings? Well, let’s say that this land’s consorts desperately needs something. I wouldn’t really know what this ‘something’ is, but perhaps it’s something that would be needed to prevent consorts from getting hurt, or something that the world itself needs, as in the environment. This ‘something,’ can be anything from a machine to a group of people to complete a task (it depends on the Knight in question’s interests and skills). The consorts want to make something, but they’ve never had the materials to do it. This is a teamwork thing. You provide the materials and then make the consorts have a more potent desire to make that something, and you’ve got yourself a quest practically done.
The quest is to make that thing, which would be, under most circumstances, impossible to do in the time the session lasts. The consorts, however, would be more than enough workers to get your quest done and over with. Their emotions exist. You have to decrease their apathy and increase their determination, or whatever it might be that would drive them to create anything from a machine that makes snow to a firefighting squad. You could potentially learn to use the basic empathy and emotional exploitation while completing this quest, similar to how Karkat created an impossible team with an odd unity, and Dave managed to learn time travel before he reached god tier.

Nov 23, 2014 26 notes
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Also, and haha, I know I'm asking a lot here :/ but a Page of Mind? and one final question, which I swear is the last ^_^ could you do a session analysis for the Knight of Breath, Page of Mind, Muse of Time and Sylph of Space pleease? thank you so much in advance :D

Alright! Well, we’ll do the Page of Mind thing first, and then regroup for the team thing later on. We’re sorry this took so long to put together.


Powers: CA

The Page and the Knight are the passive-active pair for the Exploit class. The Page is notorious for being a class without many powers to start off with, even after they achieve god tier, but once they achieve their “full potential,” they become a force to be reckoned with. Many times, it has been admitted over the course of Homestuck that Pages are potentially the most powerful class known, but given their passive nature, this cannot affect themselves, and even given their power, it takes a very long time to reach, leaving many Pages never even recognizing their true potential in the end, a tragic fate, and one that may cause them to invert once they realize the tragedy in it. But thankfully, it hasn’t happened yet. Anyway, the Page requires others to help them to reach their full potential, whereas Knights are capable of reaching their potential on their own. But even if it takes longer for them to reach this full potential of theirs, it pays off immensely, as the Page is viewed as one of the most dangerous classes in the game, even if they don’t use their abilities for themselves. I mean, just look at the damage Jake did as the Page of Hope: he was able to allow “thought Dirk” to essentially threaten Aranea with destroying her soul. The only thing that stopped that from happening was that Aranea was the person who allowed Jake to reach his potential in the first place, and kept him screaming old-fashioned mannerisms while surrounded by a halo of Hope energy. Dirk was armed with Jake’s belief in him, allowing him to use that as a weapon, and without her, he lost his potential.
The thing about Pages is that their potential isn’t in the same place Knights’ is. Say that a Knight was given a sword. I’m certain they could do about twelve billion different things with that same sword until it breaks. They could level mountains, raise armies, whatever they well like. While the Page, when you give them a sword, they give it to others. I have heard it said before that where Knights are amazing, a Page can be likened to a king, leading an army of Knights. And the reason why they can do that is because they can give a Knight’s sword, a Knight’s abilities, to another person. They can create an army of Knights by giving their swords to others, and giving back their powers to the people who helped them reach their potential.
So essentially the Page of Mind’s ability is to make their allies Knights of Mind. Mind is the Aspect of thoughts and choices, so therefore, those who the Page arms with their ability would be able to arm themselves with thought and choice. The Page might be well-suited as an intelligence gatherer, now that I think of it, as they would be arm others with specific thoughts, their thoughts. They would be able to pass on their thoughts and the information that they gathered to their Knights using their abilities. In a way, a Page would be capable of telepathy, arming others with their thoughts. Those equipped with the abilities of a Knight of Mind would be able to arm themselves with the knowledge of choice and the consequences. The Knights in the Page’s army would be excellent builders of Rube Goldberg machines, capable of setting things up one after the other to harm their enemies, be this through physical harm, insanity, or another mean. They would be able to weaponize thoughts and create revolution or raise an army for themselves. It’s possible that those armed with knowledge of the Aspect of Mind might have some sort of understanding of justice through their understanding of choice and consequence. After all, as Latula Pyrope, the Knight of Mind, said that karma made some sort of intuitive sense to her. They understand that there is a balance among all things, and justice, whether or not it is fair, must be served as consequences.
So a Page of Mind would be able to bestow to others the abilities of a Knight of Mind, bestow upon their allies thoughts and information in a sort of telepathic manner. This could open up multiple roles. A spy or an intel-gatherer would work quite well. By working with the rest of the team, they could provide a communication role by passing along thoughts for others to arm themselves with. In this way, they might be able to transfer information faster than people could type it. In the case of communication failures, like all members of their team fails to keep five computers on them at all times like a sensible person, or they just happen to lose them all, the Page of Mind would be able to allow for communication between teammates. They would be at the center of a web of communication, and an invaluable teammate.


Weapons: TC

Well, pages are interesting in terms of weapons, since there is no real set pattern to them.  I mean, what can you think of that a lance (Tavros), a bow and arrow (Horrus), and a pair of pistols (Jake) have in common?  Then I realized that all of these are all weapons in the conventional sense.  Mind players, also have a potential pattern, as I mentioned earlier, assuming that Latula and Terezi use the same weapon.  Even if they do not, the other theorized weapon that Latula used was her skateboard, meaning that at the very least, Mind players gravitate towards melee weapons.  So, as such, the following strife specibi would fit both of these patterns.

  • Axekind: I’m a lumberjack and I’m okay.
  • Bladekind: Well, how else would you use a blade?
  • Chainsawkind: Well, it’s better than a viola.
  • Clawkind: How did you manage to get to be the CEO of a company?
  • Clubkind: Turkey.
  • Hammerkind: This is not a drill.
  • Knifekind: So I said it’s knife to meet you!
  • Lancekind: Not the biker.
  • Shieldkind: There’s a reason why it’s an acronym.
  • Spearkind: Believe it or not, also an acronym.


Land and Quest: TC and CA

We have discussed this before, with our Bard of Mind post, so a lot of this is repetition, but let’s go about it once more.
Of the Mind players we have known in Homestuck (Terezi, the Seer, and Latula, the Knight), we have only seen the former’s land, The Land of Thought and Flow, so all ideas we have about a Mind land comes from inferences we have drawn from Terezi’s. As with TC’s land, we suggest the use, once again, of this word list to aid you in the creation of your land, in both its quest and its aesthetic.
So, dissecting Terezi’s land. We don’t know what her quest was, but we know that both words can relate to Mind in some way or another. Thought is the obvious one, as Mind is the Aspect of thought, but what about Flow? Well, flow is a reference to either the rivers all over her land, or the lights flashing and flowing through the sky (the lights that look suspiciously like the Mind symbol). Either way, we can probably imagine that “Flow,” might have been the aesthetic word for her land, leaving “thought,” to have been both the word related to her Aspect. Although we don’t know which word was her quest word, we can at least dissect that much into her land.
Now, the word relating to the Mind Aspect is easy to make. But the quest, that is the harder bit. As we had said before, Mind is the Aspect of thought and choices, of consequences and possibility. This, as such, could lead to a variety of potential quests for a Mind land and Mind player, but to help a Page of Mind understand their abilities once they reach their full potential, might I suggest a quest in which they have to solve a puzzle but using their whole land. It’s timed, in a way. Like there’s only a certain window of time during which the Page may reach a treasure or something, and the Page needs the help of their consorts or other players to reach it. You know how in video games there are those puzzles where once you press a button, you have a limited amount of time to cross ten platforms, juggle some lemons and blitz a few enemies? Yeah, it’s a bit like that, except there are twelve buttons that need to be pressed at the same time and they’re all on different parts of the Page’s world. Under normal circumstances? Impossible. But if they use their allies (consorts, teammates or otherwise), and give them the information that they need in order to help them, they should be able to complete it.
This would help them in learning to use their abilities to transfer information. They would be able to learn the basics of their abilities, even if they haven’t reached the god tier yet. They could just use a computer and IM system to give their allies the go-ahead. They just need to use their ability to arm others with information in order to finish their quest.
Well, I think I just came up with your quest word and Aspect word. Puzzles. Or maybe Trials. It’s up to you.


Team Analysis: CA and TC


Knight of Breath, Page of Mind, Muse of Time, Sylph of Space

First time to do this. Okay, well, you reached the first checkpoint, i.e., the Time and the Space player. The Time player helps with giving enough time to the creation of the Genesis Frog, and help others with finishing their quests as well, this ringing especially true given this Time player is the Muse. The Time player is also in charge of Scratching the session, should it be necessary. And although we aren’t sure if it’s necessary, the fact that this session has an even number is pretty helpful, especially when getting the planets aligned. The ring has always been surrounded by an even number, so, if it does happen to be a necessary factor to the game, you’re good there.
However, there may be a couple of problems, and those problems come in the form of the Knight and the Muse in the session. Admittedly, they are very awesome classes, but the Knight’s Aspect is exactly what the session lacks, and a session without Breath (a.k.a., freedom), is almost immediately crippled. As I mentioned in the post about the Knight of Breath, some possible ways the session could lack freedom include the portals that the players need to get around their might be too far away to reach, there might not be enough building materials to reach them in the first place, or the portals might not even exist. This lack of mobility can take many forms, but no matter what form it takes, the session will be crippled by it, and to keep the session from dying, the Knight will have to get in gear as fast as possible as far as mastering their abilities. The Knight will have to be willing to fly everyone around through the portals, get people where they need to be and when they need to be there (as per the Muse’s specifications), and not get too tired out from doing it. It’s an immense challenge.
Speaking of the Muse, the problem with that is that the Muse’s existence in the session may throw things out of whack: a powerful class has a fair amount of problems to balance things. For example? The Muse may learn that they have to leave their session partway through the make The Choice to save gods know how many people from the person who chose to destroy things. The Muse’s planet is dead, which means that they had to oversee everyone else’s quests, but without the Muse to do that, the session may fail. Their sacrifice has consequences, consequences that the Page in this session may be able to help understand, or, rather, help the Muse themselves understand. In any case, Muses are powerful, and their existences in a session tend to mean that something major is going to happen. Caution is advised.
Alright, now let’s talk about their cooperation:
The Knight of Breath is an interesting person to look at, because Knights are infamous for hiding behind a sort of shell or mask. Dave hides behind a “cool,” exterior, Karkat hides behind a mask of anger, and Latula, behind the guise of a “gamer girl.” This hiding is done entirely to protect a sort of insecurity, or perhaps a problem they see with themselves that they don’t want to face. Dave hides behind the entirely unflappable cool person exterior because he believes that he can’t amount to the same thing as his brother or John (at least he believes as much in the game, especially once John reaches god tier, hence his, “I’m not a hero, I won’t die a Heroic death, etc., etc., etc.” shpeal). So, depending on what the mask of this Knight of Breath is, the Knight might cause a problem very early, especially so given the team’s dependence on them! Just imagine the problem an aloof Knight of Breath may hold (e.g., shows up 15 minutes late with Starbucks just to give the impression that they don’t care too much). The Page of Mind will likely be needed to help them if their mask turns out to be problematic and the Sylph will be there to help with any problems their mask may cause with the other teammates. The Muse will likely take on a different role for the Knight: one of the coach. They will have to help train them to use their powers, devote and give time to them, be this Time they stole from their enemies, Time they inherited, or Time they created for them, because without this Knight knowing how to use their abilities, the session may fail. So this Knight’s role? Integral.
The Page of Mind would be a protege of sorts for the entire team. Not necessarily someone they would feel like pushing around, per se, but Pages have a tendency to be fairly mild-mannered, I suppose. The Page would have to allow others to understand their mistakes before allowing someone else to step in to correct them (if the people themselves don’t correct them themselves, that is). Whereas the Sylph would likely mediate using the pathos (emotional appeal), the Page would likely use logos (logical appeal) and really just show them that they made a mistake objectively. They, like the Knight of Breath, would likely be a major devotion of the Muse’s Time and resources (i.e., Time), especially so if the Knight has a “mask,” that’s causing problems for others. By allowing the Knight of Breath to know the abilities of a Knight of Mind, they would be able to know the consequences of the persona they’re hiding behind, and the problems it’s causing for others. They would know that they have to modify their behavior in order to bring the session to a successful close. So the Page is an important part of this session, as they would be able to allow their teammates to weaponize their thoughts and choices, and also understand the consequences that occur as a result of their actions.
The Muse of Time would likely serve as mission control and teacher for the group. Practically everything would be their job, as per their quest, and they would be able to decide what the next best course of action would be. They would teach the Page to reach their full potential, and they would help the Knight understand and use their newfound abilities, not to mention helping the Sylph with creating the Genesis Frog. Given how barren their world is and how good they’ll end up at Time shenanigans once they reach god tier (or possibly even before), they ought to have little standing in their way of reaching god tier. Their biggest problem would be learning how to use them all in time to get their new universe created. But with a little help from their innate Knowing and their teammates, especially the Sylph, they should be fine, and they should be able to tell whether The Choice needs to be made at all.
The Sylph of Space’s role would most likely be as a fairly good mediator, as shown by Kanaya being a prime auspistice. The whole “creating Space for others,” schtick of their powers would likely reflect in their ability to know how to get conflicts resolved most of the time: separate the parties involved. If they’re given some time on their own, they will likely realize what it is they want to say to one another, and why things went wrong. Sylphs are fairly helpful and calm people on their own, but between trying to make sure any disputes end up finished and making a universe, they, like everyone else in this session, have a lot on their plate. The Sylph would serve as a grounding force for their team. While the Knight is messing around with all their fancy new powers or whatever, the Sylph would likely be the one to tell them that they need to help out other teammates move around their world. Where the Page would be too harsh in trying to tell the Knight to get to work, the Sylph knows exactly what to say to get their teammate to help. Where the Muse is likely working themselves to death, the Sylph would be willing to get them to rest a bit, knowing that they would be able to work just as hard, if not harder, later, with the Time they have accumulated.
Other potential problems include the abundance of passive players, players who can’t use their powers for themselves. If they have an agenda they have to accomplish, and their teammates either can’t or won’t help them with it, they wouldn’t be able to accomplish it, no matter how important it is that it be completed. Cooperation is key for a session with a lot of passive players outnumbering active players.
But looking on the bright side, we have people whose abilities should compensate for each other’s, and if they have enough bite to support their bark, then the team should be fine and the Genesis Frog should look splendid on the other side of that door.
Prognosis? As long as they’re already willing to put up with each other’s shit, they should be good. It’ll be a hard session, but with the right strings pulled, everyone should come out of it alive.

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